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Welcome to the Delicious Generation...

June 08th, 2007 at 2:54am • Posted in My Projects, WWDC • Tagged , , ,

Update: If any of you readers are SF residents are know the city well / want to help out planning the party, feel free to hit me up on AIM. (VCard to your right.)

Delicious Generation"The "Delicious Generation" is a breed of young developers who embrace interface experimentation and brash marketing. The term "Delicious Generation" was meant as an insult, but they wear it as a badge of honor." - Leander Kahney, Scott Gilbertson, Wired.com

I think it's fair to say that this is the most substantial article so far about, well, "us". The Delicious Generation. And the cool news is, it's super positive. Oh, and Wired apparently thinks it's a pretty big story. (Edit: Apparently digg users think so too.) Sorry Apple. ;)

I've kinda kept quiet for months, through a lot of public shitting on us by certain individuals. I feel that, as a 19 year old student, I handled this pretty maturely, keeping my cool. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you might want to check this Wired.com article out as a refresher course on the "Heist controversy", and this lovely post by Paul Kafasis that sparked the Delicious Generation controversy. In it, he talks about making positive steps for fixing the schism in the Mac community, while simultaneously making grandiose, vicious statements like this one: "Disco's smoke effect is now infamous for being a sign of the fall of the Mac." (Oh really Paul? And who exactly said that... BEFORE your post?) What makes it worse, is that, from a marketing perspective, I can make a real case that the controversy was designed to boost sales for his apps. (I mean, he IS marketing for Rogue Amoeba.) If you don't believe me, check out his next post put up a few days later. Yeah, it's just a list of his apps. Great blogging material there.

So anyway, we've actually been working on an amazing Delicious Generation party over the past couple weeks. And we're actually trying to, well, piece together the schisms in the community, repair burned bridges, that sort of deal. There are Apple people showing up. Reps from Yahoo. Youtube. For Digg fans, Kevin Rose will be chilling. And of course, the best of the best in Mac indie software development, showcasing their latest and greatest, and demoing some awesome, upcoming stuff. The generation's Godfather, Wil Shipley of Delicious Library fame, will of course be making an appearance as well. We're working hard to make this an unbelievable party (no cover fee!) for you guys, and that's with an open bar, great food, free t-shirts and live jazz. Yeah, we're just ballers like that. (Just kidding. Thank the sponsors.)

It's going to be awesome. And now, to take my five minutes of vindication here. Paul Kafasis, I assume you will be at the conference. In which case, if you have the balls to RSVP and show up, I'll offer up the microphone for a few minutes, to say whatever you please. Look, you left a flaming bag of shit at our door, and here I am, tossing toilet paper at your house. I am offering an opportunity here for you to say a few words, crack a few jokes, and make peace. You do that, and I will once again have respect for you.

So I hope to see everyone there. Aaaand, I'm out for the night. Good times indeed.

A note: Please don't take any offense if you, well, can't get in. The venue is small, and honestly, I'm expecting a lot of RSVP's. So apologies in advance to those who will get kinda shafted on this. Lesson learned: get a bigger venue next time.


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Up until this point, there have been 16 responses to “Welcome to the Delicious Generation...”:

Glenn Wolsey

June 08th, 2007 at 3:02am

If this doesn't raise your reputation, I don't know what Phill ;-) Cant wait for the screencasts from the event.

Jordan Chark

June 08th, 2007 at 4:49am

I agree with Glenn on that point :P I'm annoyed I can't go, but I'll make sure to catch the screencasts.

gdw

June 08th, 2007 at 9:44am

Um... My understanding of the MacTech 25 was that people voted on who they wanted to win, not that MacTech chose the winners. So, wouldn't that show that the _voters_ overlooked the "two biggest community events of the year"?

Peter

June 08th, 2007 at 9:44am

The digg page description indicates that the maturity level of this post is far above anything negative that's been posted about him.

I dunno, I disagree. I think there's a lot to be said - putting out a few sarcastic potshots at people to criticize, then going under for several months, then coming back as if nothing has happened, throwing a party for yourself, and inviting Paul to "have the balls" to come up and say a few words while being silently mocked by all the people who have come for Phill and not Paul, and patting yourself on the back for all this... that speaks of unbelievable immaturity.

Now that it's the summer, and you can finally spend 24h a day on these things, you might want to address My Dream App and MacHeist (remember? those community sites you started) and try restoring confidence in the loyal users there who are feeling quite abandoned. Don't know what I'm talking about? Visit the forums.

And by the way, I'm not shitting on you, as you claim the others have been doing. You just don't really know legitimate criticism when you see it, and you certainly don't respond to it yourself. There are better ways to win everyone over than your post there.

Phill Ryu

June 08th, 2007 at 10:25am

gdw, haha, if so, I guess the joke's on me. Anyone know exactly how that list was compiled? (And forgive me for being a bit suspicious, I mean, would you not agree that I should be -somewhere- on that list? We're not talking the #1 person here. Or the top five. Or the top ten. We're talking 25, "influence", and within the Mac community, over the past year. (The 'year' part gets me especially, because I see a lot of people on this list that have been extremely influential before, just not over the past year...) But whatever, if it was entirely based on community voting, I'm a retard. :P Whoops.

John

June 08th, 2007 at 11:04am

"You might also notice I'm not on that list"

I think this is where the underlying 'shitting' as you put it is coming from. It isn't so much the applications themselves but the self imposed arrogance and the 'look at me' aspect behind them. Your comment above and the post in general are very much skewed towards the apect of self indulgence.

Producing something new and or grounbreaking, or throwing the HIG guidelines out the window are fair enough. Just be careful with the reason behind why you are doing it. Is it for purely for self indulgence and self promotion or is it for the good of the user?

John

June 08th, 2007 at 1:49pm

Comments above came out kinda harsh. Sorry

The crux of what I was saying that we all want praise for what we do in life, but let what you do speak for itself rather than actively seeking that approval.

I think that sentiment is why there was such a backlash on this 'delicious generation'.

idle.

June 08th, 2007 at 2:43pm

Delicious Generation Party will be a blast. Not quite as much a blast it would have been if I had been there but almost... Hehehe. I know it will rule WWDC.

Anonymous Swine

June 08th, 2007 at 2:49pm

You guys are incredibly juvenile. What's with the constant shots fired at Paul Kafasis by you and your other "delicious" mates? How old are you guys, anyway? This isn't kindergarten anymore, take the bloody high road for a change.

Daniel Jalkut

June 08th, 2007 at 3:18pm

Speaking as somebody who was lucky and got chosen for the MacTech 25, I'd be the first to agree that it's an arbitrary and imperfectly applied honor. Fact is that these "top whatever" lists are never complete and never without flaws. In this case it was community voted, but it's not like they're any better when a bunch of guys sitting around in an office come up with them.

The fact that it's community-voted probably just shows that your community didn't get the word about voting. Next year if you're tuned in and ask them to vote, I'm sure you'll be up there.

matt

June 09th, 2007 at 3:55am

No, Phill. I don't think you should be in the top 25. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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June 10th, 2007 at 4:48am

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June 20th, 2007 at 6:18pm

[...] Oh yeah, and no, Paul Kafasis did not show up to take mic, as I offered him in this previous post. Shame. I guess he was busy dousing the flames on the Rogue Amoeba blog. See Paul, that's the problem with trolling. Sometimes it blows up in your face. Anyway, 'nuf said about that. Be sure to leave comments if you were at the party, and I'd love to see some more photos pop up on Flickr if you had your camera! your ad here [...]

Anonymous Swine

June 21st, 2007 at 10:31pm

"I mean, would you not agree that I should be -somewhere- on that list? We're not talking the #1 person here."

I'm not trying to troll and I'm sure you don't mean it this way, but you sound like sour grapes and like you have a swollen head. I think you need to tone it down.

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